other cities have not set that same example. stockton, california has paid bondholders one cent on the dollar and pensioners have fared better. there is no doubt that in whether it is detroit or stockton or chicago or the state of illinois or entities, that they all are behind the eight ball in terms of having promised too much and delivering too little in terms of total returns. it will be difficult for them absent a lot of risk to produce seven percent to eight percent returns. withank you for sharing us. great to get your views, especially the day before the jobs number. the bond cain, bill gross of pimco. back, how thee blackberry go from first to worst? business week that the answer by talking to people who were there. the wild ride is coming right up. >> they can talk to people who are still on the right, -- on the ride. more from the interview with kyle bass, a ride on the herbalife bandwagon. this is "market makers care go ♪ >> welcome back to "market makers." move over, america. schumer's jeffrey katzenberg -- dream w